“You have bewitched me body and soul…”
Sigh, I’m with Devora on this one. My future husband need not come up with his own lines, watch P&P once and just regurgitate Mr. Darcy’s line with the same passion. Sigh.
“You have bewitched me body and soul…”
Sigh, I’m with Devora on this one. My future husband need not come up with his own lines, watch P&P once and just regurgitate Mr. Darcy’s line with the same passion. Sigh.
You and Devorah are being totally unrealistic. P&P is a harlequine romance novel. The only thing a man might get out of it is a lot of really awesome disses. “As much as I love being insulted by you, I think you’ll be happier at a table for one.”
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How are we being unrealistic? Do you have the romantic experience to back this up? And speaking as someone who has read a Harlequin romance novel or two, P&P is rather different. If you think it’s so unrealistic, why are you quoting a P&P adaptation. Did you actually WATCH this P&P adaptation. I am shocked!
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I have watched a P&P adaptation. >I enjoyed every bit of it. I think Colin Firth was Mr. Darcy. (You know the “The Importance of Being Earnest”, “Bridget Jones”…) >>With regards to romantic experience, I am all for scented candles dripping hot with wax… >but I’m no Giacomo Casanova. If I were to make dinner, I probably would not keep the butter chilled by placing it on a tray of fresh snow. Though that is a damn good idea. >>What is unrealistic is that women seem to want both toughness and tenderness. They leave the sappy boyfriend for the alpha male and then dump the alpha male and go back to the sap. It’s all quite entertaining if you are not really involved.
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Ah, yes, the A&E adaptation. Yes, of course, I know who Colin Firth is and what films he has graced with his brilliant acting. š >>Scented candles? You may even be more romantic than me and who eats butter anymore? >>Meanwhile, don’t guys just want something that look s pretty but doesn’t have much to say? Kidding. I think it is a drastic generalization to make that women are still going for the bad boy and ditching the nice guys. Why is it too much to ask to have toughness AND tenderness? We want a guy who will fight off dragons but remember our birthdays…not a bad deal. >>Any girl worth a dime has enough self-esteem to know that the sappy boyfriend who she really cares about is the alpha male. The thing is that with all these lovely images in the media of what women should look like, most women don’t have much self-esteem so they’ll put up with anything just to have any boyfriend because there must be something really wrong with a woman if she doesn’t have or want a boyfriend, right? It isn’t unrealistic to want someone who loves you as much as you love them and shows you that they love you.
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Just at curiosity, and don’t take this wrong way, do you ever concede in an argument?>>Personally, unless it’s a matter of principal, I don’t care whether I win or lose.
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Why would I take it the wrong way? No, I rarely concede in an argument…unless I am proven completely and irrevocably wrong. š
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and how often does that happen?
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Having seen EVERY version of P and P, I want to start off by saying that Matthew MacFadyen is the best Mr. Darcy EVER. And to compare Jane Austen to a Harlequin romance novel–hello, have you read EITHER of them?!>>Furthermore, in response to “What is unrealistic is that women seem to want both toughness and tenderness. They leave the sappy boyfriend for the alpha male and then dump the alpha male and go back to the sap. It’s all quite entertaining if you are not really involved.” I say BITE ME. And to DArisa: You go, woman. For more on this, go see my blog.
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Devora, >You exhibit a splendid ‘mixture of pride and impertinence’. I never said the book was a bad harlequin novel, I just said simply that it was a harlequin novel – a very good one at that. And without a doubt, it’s a heck of a lot better than the pride and promiscuity hogwash that manages to become paperback bestsellers, toting male heros that “fight off dragons but remember our birthdays” and so forth. Keep dreaming children.
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Haha! I LOVE reading this! >>Jerry! Jerry!
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Me? Wrong? Quite often. Did you just call us both children? REALLY? I didn’t even use the word “bite me,” I have years of relationship experience over you but I am the child in this argument? There are men who are tough and sweet, I prefer the “remembers the birthday” versus the “fighting off the dragon” but every girl likes to cuddle with someone who believes will protect her (and eventually her little bitty progeny) even if it’s all theoretical, given that there are no dragons.
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First let me correct you. It’s “their progeny” not “her progeny”. Men do a little bit more than provide some seed — at least some men. The rest of us have absolutely no interest in slaying dragons, we have enough difficulty killing cockroaches… But if that turns you on, well then maybe there is God.
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WHAT?!?!?!?!?!
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oops: I forgot an ‘a’. It should read:…a God.
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That’s a hell of a typo.
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It seems to me that the question here is one of responsibility. It’s foolish to say that any person, male or female, lacks the capacity to be both sappy (though I think there are much better adjectives which can be applied) and tough (once again, oversimplified. I wouldn’t sell myself or anyone short by saying that they couldn’t be both. If you want to be both, it’s possible, not easy but really it is a personal choice. >>The kind of person you are, despite however socially constructed it might be, really comes down to an individual making a choice. And I, as a person with strong beliefs and convictions refuse to settle for someone lacking in either (i.e. someone who is unwilling to understand the depth of personality which should exist in both men and women; someone unwilling to try to be both, to reach some ideal). >>As someone who has read, literally, hundreds of harlequin romance novels, I am insulted to see P&P being compared to them. I love romance novels, I do, because the are silly and often outrageous but they serve to provide hope. I would probably hate a man who acted like most of the men in romance novels do, but since when is Mr. Darcy anything like them? It seems that by tossing out this idea of the “sappy” man versus the “tough” man, we rule out the middle ground. WHY CAN’T MEN HAVE REAL EMOTIONS? People are amazingly multifaceted. I would be insulted if I were a man basically being told that it is not possible for me to be romantic in this outrageous way. Why wouldn’t a man be able to? Why wouldn’t a woman be able to fight her own battles? >>It seems to me that differing, and outdated, definitions of what is romantic are running amok here. In agreement with my sister, “scented candles” and “butter,” since when is this what it’s all about? And here I was thinking it was about true depth of emotion and appreciation for another person. Flowers are all well and good but when your tired at the end of a day and you just need someone to talk to you, tell you that things will work and help you forgot whatever got you in this bad way, flowers aren’t going to cut it. No that’s when you need a MAN or a WOMAN, someone who you can rely on. When it comes down to it the most romantic thing ANYONE can do for the person they love is to be with them when they need. >>Finally as to who my sister loses arguements to, well, that would be me.
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Crysalys, >If I was your sister, I would be very proud.>š
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:::Speechless:::
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Yehuda: Bite me. Again.
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